Behind The Music of Imagine Dungeons

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, and welcome to what I'm confident you can tell is a different kind of episode of Imagine Dungeons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it seems different so far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it doesn't seem weird to you, maybe you haven't listened to very much of our show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not usually like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's usually a lot of other people here, but today it's just me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Doge, I play Glint on the regular episodes of Imagine Dungeons, and I also compose our original music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually what this episode is going to be about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of behind the scenes look at the music of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've never done it behind the scenes episode before, but we thought maybe this is an interesting way to start off our 2026 releases.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to take you guys on a special guided tour behind the music of Imagine Dungeons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take a look at the character themes for our five player characters today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you feel inspired when you listen to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you feel entertained when you listen to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you haven't turned it off already for being honest with each other, but hey, that's always a possibility.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's get rolling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, like I said, my name's Doge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know me, if you listen to this show, if you listen to one of our other podcasts, I've been playing music my whole life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm minored in music in college and none of that prepared me to write music like I have written for Imagine Dungeons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've always been a fan of movie soundtrack style music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember in 2006,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I received as a gift the soundtracks for Pirates of the Caribbean, the Curse of the Black Pearl, and the Chronicles of Narnia, the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, and I absolutely wore those out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were the soundtrack to my seventh grade homework, and I've just always been a huge fan of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the role that music can play in storytelling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So all that to say, I'm somebody who really loves this kind of music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you can do a lot of extra textual work as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I mean by that is especially in an audio medium like this, you don't get the benefit of non-verbal performances.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, like if Donnie is nervous about something, you don't get to see that on Carter's face because you're not looking at him the way I am when we're playing together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: or if glint is fidgety and like ringing his hands, then I can try to make that come across in my performance, but really ultimately, I feel like I need another tool to help express that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think these character themes can do a lot of that sort of non-verbal heavy lifting that helps turn this from you're just listening to six friends talking about some guys they made up into something that hopefully feels pretty immersive and emotional.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So all that to say, I started the composition process for Imagine Dungeons by writing a theme for each player character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a short piece of music or a memorable, hummable melody that will play each time the character is

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[SPEAKER_02]: on screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing air quotes around the word screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're on screen or their actions are influencing the plot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Think of it almost like a character's theme song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, great example of this, not from Imagine Dungeons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If, like me, you grew up on Star Wars, then you know the importance of a character theme and you may not even realize it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I play these nine notes,

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[SPEAKER_02]: sound like anybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's Darth Vader's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know exactly who I'm referring to with just nine notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Vader ever appears on the screen without these nine notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, it feels incomplete.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it feels that way for you, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's something missing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Another dimension to the storytelling that we're just not getting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, picture this, it's 2005.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're watching revenge of the Sith.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hayden Christensen is looking moody and sweaty and his dark eye makeups all smudged.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's standing in the shadows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got his hood on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you hear these nine notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just can't see him, but you can feel that he's there because of our memorable homoble character theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In this way, it feels like the score can sort of stand apart from the visuals and have a complete meaning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That will always mean Darth Vader, but the visuals feel incomplete without the score.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Something the characters can't or won't say either because they're not aware of it or because Anakin's not going to look right at the camera and say, by the way, I'm going to become Darth Vader at the end of this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That can still be communicated through the music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So without further ado, let's take a look at our player character themes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to try to keep this relatively spoiler free, but I'm assuming that you're coming into this, having listened to all of season one, and at least the premiere of season two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to try to keep it vague still, but I may touch on some larger plot points.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's start by taking a look at Donnie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Donnie's somebody who is caught between two worlds at the time that we meet him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the man he used to be, or the ork he used to be Donyark Gashkala, conquering Barbarian hero of the demon waste, keeping the demons at bay, keeping everyone safe, and then there's who he is today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Donnie Gash, touring bard singing fantasy outlaw country.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's basically Johnny Cash with a big wargong on his back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a really fun tension to dig into.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was really excited when Carter introduced Donnie to us at the table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of fertile ground there in those contradictions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really fun to write for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Donnie's theme was the very first character theme I wrote for our party.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's that main melody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can actually play it one of two ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got the demon waste variation with a raised final note and the gun slinger variation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So here's the demon waste version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You hear that last note?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little higher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's sharper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the gun slinger variation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that ending right there pulling us harmonically to the flat seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's something that we see a lot in classic spaghetti western scores like the good the bad and the ugly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so here's the full demo I wrote of this theme to show Carter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got this saved on my computer titled Hero of the Demon Wastes.

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[UNKNOWN]: Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got our spurs, we've got our boots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're ready to head out to Valentine, is Arthur Morgan?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was a lot of fun to kind of write in this spaghetti western style.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That little horn flare at the very end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's so cowboy movie to me, the ton of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so for the demo in particular, we started with that demon waste variation, something kind of dark and foreboding, um, I wanted to sort of put us back in the mindset of Donnie as a young or facing off against these demons, um, our vocalist is singing his melody, but it's a little bit warped, some pitches are off by just a bit, some things aren't quite clicking into place, um, and then there's that shift halfway through into the real gunsling or resounding portion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: fun a little bit of trivia here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just about every time Donnie's theme is heard in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're hearing one of his musical weapons take center stage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of fun to write for a bard, write for a character who is himself a musician.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of fun little nods that we can do with the music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to make it feel more like something that Donnie might actually be playing on the battlefield.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So take a listen in the show when you hear Donnie's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Listen for his wargong, his flute, or his guitar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His guitar in this demo we just heard actually is me playing my guitar quite poorly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to isolate that for you, but just trust me it's in there and it sounds good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When it's all mixed in with everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here's just a couple of my favorite places to catch Donnie's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This track is called Embers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of Donnie's level-up scenes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This one is called Light as a feather.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was back in episode two when Donnie casts Featherfall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This one's probably the most metal track name we've ever come up with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Labyrinth of pain?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that would go on a t-shirt, some lightning bolts and skulls behind it might be pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the season one finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Full on Demon Wastes sound here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, this track's called One A Data Relive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is when Donnie sees that one a poster and gather hold full on Spaghetti Western outlock here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's Donnie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A ton of fun to play with, sonically, a ton of different permutations to take this theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It can go all the way from sort of a more traditional, like fantasy sound, all the way through, a kind of Clint Eastwood cowboy movie sound.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just a ton of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's talk Ridley now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ridley was, I guess, in contrast to Donnie, probably the most difficult character to find a good theme for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you write something that sounds like a business man pallidin?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to go full, you know, like Gothic choir, this is my patron god, sound for Ridley because that isn't really fit him at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I also admittedly don't know much about the world of gently used boats, so there wasn't much inspiration to be found there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately though, the thing that sort of unlocked Ridley's theme for me was trying to think through Ridley's eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See through Ridley's mind, I don't know, get inside his head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't canon, but my impression of Ridley and what I used to kind of internally get to a composition that felt good was just thinking, as Ridley thinks about himself, I don't think he can separate the man or the total, I guess, from the enterprise, the business side of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Meaning, I think that the Fontena, Marina, is something Ridley's always gonna think of as a foundational

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lucky for me, Carter doesn't just play a songwriter on the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He actually does write songs for Donnie Dissing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He surprises us with him at the table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is the highlight of the session every time that there's a new Donnie song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is your vessel not looking so clean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: A rage and see has been to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know a place you'd never seen a c'mon down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he looks like right up to release.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to Fontaine, a mon reignable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's in universe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The jingle that Donnie wrote for Ridley after just a few weeks of adventuring together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Outside the story, this session, we happened to play this session at the perfect time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is right when I was trying to figure out what Ridley's theme should sound like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was just the jumping off point I needed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's Ridley's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can hear how it's sort of a modified version of that jingle Carter wrote.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's the theme, we kind of repeat that as many times as you'd like to, but that's sort of the main bones of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the demo I wrote to pitch this theme to vence.

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you hear at the beginning, we've got a bunch of hard sounds playing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of...

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[SPEAKER_02]: The jumping around sound right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's an open fifth we're rocking back and forth on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted some kind of hard sounds for lack of a better term to represent Ridley's shell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're getting pretty literal here, so I was thinking, you know, maybe a zylophone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's also some anvil in here at the very beginning to sort of call to mind the metals of release, trident and his glave, that main melody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a modified version of the Fontena Marina Jingle, joining them with those hard sounds at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got some plucky loot or dalsomir type of sounds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Trying to kind of call to mind that medieval, coastal, merchant kind of feeling, while all in the background, we've got a French horn who's sort of softly playing shadowing that Ridley melody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In my mind, this kind of represents a little bit of the heroism or honor in Ridley that he's, I think he's unaware of in himself at the time that we meet him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's a distant call to adventure to more than the Marina.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ridley's aware of it, but it takes meeting the rest of the crew for him to answer that call and hear that melody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So here's just a few of my favorite places to find Ridley's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna start with our really fun one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the first pieces of music that I wrote for this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is called Tordle Enraged.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's me wishing I could make something half as cool as the Doom soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This track is probably the polar opposite of that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called your old man, sadridly, sorrowful, redly, responsible, redly, taking care of snaps.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's another one of my favorite moments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is from the track called New Days, from Episode 5.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Vince had this great quote, maybe New Days can happen any day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ridley's hopeful view of the future, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here, sure he's been captured by pirates, marked by vampires, sailing away from his home, narrowly survived a crack in attack, but New Days can happen any day with anyone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe with these people today, he can start being a new Ridley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, we'll wrap up here on Ridley with the aura of found family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is from the season two premiere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some real intentional heroism from Ridley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Note that big bold brass statement of the Ridley theme and our kind of heroic gem bay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, under glint.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you something about this anxious, sad, insecure man, his theme was so hard to write.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it player, as a player and as a composer, it would be really tempting to write a bombastic cool hero theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just not who Glent is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I really tried not to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted something a little bit more understated, something a little bit

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they could work in a more somber, contemplative state and also could work in sort of a heroic moment like this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A track's called Tempestus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's from Episode 5.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the moment Glent uses his drag in my power to escape the crack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So fun fact, actually wrote that track before even fully finalizing Glent's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So here's the melody for Glent's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mind us all the accompaniment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It goes like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes that second to last note is flatter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To get that whole tone medieval fantasy sound, but you get the gist of it there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now the fully orchestrated version of Glent's theme has a couple of different pieces that

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the harp, this also appears in glint's visions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of viewing this as the string that ties him to, what he later learns to be his elven heritage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's this piece that I'm calling the elven vocal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This also appears any time Glent is confronted with or reminded of his royalty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of as close to a theme for the Dragon Mark as he gets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the actual Glent theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a good thing to have in the orchestrated version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's the Beeps and Boops that mean our favorite little robot Davy Sprocket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Glent's piecemeal theme like this is really pretty intentional, glint as a guy he's made of all these different pieces, nerdy child of forge fighter, card, collector, a confident inventor, spoilers for season one, a lost elven prince, and he still isn't quite sure how they all fit together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't actually know, by the way, that Glent was a royal lineage when I wrote this theme, I found out about that at the same time Glent did in the season one finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thankfully, because of the delay between recording and releasing the show, I was able to work a little bit of musical foreshadowing in, kind of sprinkled at Elven Vocal, piece of his theme into scenes where it fit, but that was news to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Musically, the full orchestrated version is inspired a lot by bear McCreary's work, actually, on the Rings of Power soundtrack, particularly the Galadriel's theme from Season 1.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, here's Markov storms, the full orchestration of Glens the

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's a few of my favorite places to find Glent's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna play Tim Pestus again, that track that we just listened to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it is my favorite, but that's when Glent first uses his Dragon Mark Power to escape from the Blood Drunks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He decides to trust his new friends with this secret.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, I'll play you a rejected theme for Glent, and when I say rejected, I rejected it myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want you to think anybody's bullying, sweet baby doge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but this is, I think you can kind of hear what I was going for, the weird intersection between like a fantasy elf and low-fi techie sounds, ultimately, I really couldn't make it work, and I went back to the drawing board.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So enjoy this neat little piece of Imagine Dungeons Apocrypha.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of cool, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I may use something like that in the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a good idea there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, it just wasn't right for the moment I was trying to compose for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is from New Days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Same track we talked about with Ridley a little while ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Glent's portion of that scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a sorrowful, mournful feeling right after the escape from the blood drunks when Glent thinks his new friends, his only friends, his first friends won't accept him because he's different or weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got his glowing hand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a track from the season two premiere called Bloodlines.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the first time we see Glent using an invention of his own design outside of combat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He feels in his element as he's conducting Eberon's first powder point presentation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's glint with this awick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, on to Sue now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I wrote Sue's theme, I didn't really know much about their past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's one of the unique things about this project actually, because I'm not the DM, and because I'm writing for characters that I didn't create, because I'm scoring a story that I'm not the only one telling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm learning a lot about

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[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine Dungeons as we go, and these themes that I'm writing have the opportunity to kind of grow with the characters and change contexts and change vibes, and it's really just pretty special.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's definitely the case with Sue here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Their theme has sort of quietly become one of my favorites to iterate throughout their character arc.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Every time I get to write a new piece for Sue, it feels really special.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when we first meet them, they're relatively quiet on assuming she just wants to do a good job cooking for the pirates who she believes have hired her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the more time Sue spends with the crew, the more they grow into sort of the glue of the group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My read on Sue is that they're kind of the emotional center or the unifying force.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A cleric who is, yes, equipped to heal physical wounds, but also healing the broken bits in each of the party members and showing them that it's all right to where you're hard on your sleeve and just belong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's D&D trope, for sure, like the Guardians of the Galaxy found family thing that's everywhere in D&D, but it's definitely effective when we're at the table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of feel that Sue is the driving engine of that, at least for our party.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, back on track.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The main melody for Sue's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the A section.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it sort of repeats after that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is in C major, the way I'm playing it right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Took a lot of inspiration from Howard Shores theme for the Hobbits from the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we all know that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That feels hobby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels simple and peaceful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I wanted to bring for Sioux.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the B section of this is just three notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's four, as I count it now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just four notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the demo that I wrote to pitch this theme to Mariah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a new right away that I wanted Sue's theme to feel like home, um, I also knew that she was not on the run, but at least displaced from her dream by a mysterious event in her past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mariah just told us they caused a big fire, and if you've listened to the season two premiere, you know, that's not exactly true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I take home as an inspiration for Sue specifically, I'm really talking about a deferred kind of aching, you know, a longing for the home that you felt you were promised, but circumstances kept you from getting there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for our A section, we're rocking back and forth between a one

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, usually this four chord would be major, it'd be like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if we just lower that one note, makes it a little bit more aching, a little more melancholy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By shifting it to that kind of sad sounding minor, we can evoke the kind of unease that I was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really hope this evokes the kind of warmth of a hearth or the feeling of a stomach full of habitato soup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like maybe I ate a little too much and I'm a little uncomfortable with the hospitality that I've been shown here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm aching I'm longing for something that can't be fulfilled.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then to accompany the B section that we all now know is for notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've just got a pedal tone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Arcusures just holding down this home of the key, the tonic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: While the simple 3-note, 4-note, B-section plays over the top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that descriptor of this going on down here, the pedal tone that actually comes from the notes that an organist would play with their feet, which felt fitting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you've ever seen an organ in a church, you know that there's hand keys and there's feet keys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Blows my mind, I could never do the feet keys, but the pedal tones would be the ones that the organist is playing with their feet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice to have a little bit of high church music in your cleric's theme, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It helps add a sense of holiness, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The brief that I sent to the rest of the party whenever I finished writing this theme was I wanted it to feel like your best friend has knives flying around the middle of a battle and then they start glowing like they're untouched by an angel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So here are a few of my favorite two theme moments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're starting it off slow with your my family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Sue's heart to heart with Glent in Weed Warren, the glue, turning in adventuring party into a family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This track is Guardian Angel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the back half of that demo we played earlier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Almost lifted whole cloth from that demo placed directly in the finale of Season 1.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Sue Summoning, a quadle from the ring of Ambrosia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going full, powerful, holy cleric in this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's another one of my favorite suit tracks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This one's called The Hema-Vore Diet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A Hema-Vore is a creature who survives exclusively on blood, so like a leech is a Hema-Vore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, a vampire would be a Hema-Vore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is, I wanted these fast strings here to capture the breathless thrill of cooking for someone, again, in this case, helping lead head meet his dietary restrictions in the season two premiere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, last in the order, first place in our hearts, there's none like her its fatal sticks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a fast-talking frenetic thief, there was really never any question what Fiddles' music would feel like, namely, mission impossible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted something really mission-impossibly for her theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I knew we needed fast, pizzercato, or plucked strings, and a somewhat unpredictable sightly strange melody, or meter, something that felt sort of...

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[SPEAKER_02]: off-kilter, while high energy as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the time I wrote this, the truth about Fiddles hadn't been revealed to the party or the other players, just yet we had no idea that Fiddles is a she, and also is the daughter of Lord Bartholomew of Gatherhold.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All we knew was that her eyes used to be not blue, and then they were blue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this was...

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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of an interesting challenge for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had to write a character theme that worked for Fiddles as she was, as he was at the time, while also leaving room for Jordan to fully reveal the hook or the mystery behind Fiddles true identity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, here's the melody I landed on for Fiddles theme and goes like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then repeats, we change instruments throughout, we change registers throughout to kind of continue to drive that intensity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So here's the highest inspired cue I wrote to pitch this theme to Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the only theme, the only kind of demo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that appears in, it's, well, almost, it's entirety in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That first fit is in the soundtrack as drama map, mama.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's from our second episode, when Fiddles tracks Glenn and Davy onto the Blood Drunk's ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That second portion where it slows down there's that kind of darker vocal sound,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's in the soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Blue Eyes, and it's what plays when fiddles eye color changes in the mirror in RAM shackles tower.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a really fun scene because Gage actually dismissed all of us from the table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is something that I didn't find out about until I was preparing season one to release.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a ton of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those little surprises are always a blast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so for fiddle steam, the first thing to note here is that slightly off-kilter kind of chromatic melody, we've got...

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those four notes right in a row, they're all present in the scale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of slippery and slidy, and it doesn't make it ton of sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Fiddles is difficult to predict, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She also kind of wears that unpredictability as a mask in season one, I'd say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You really get the sense that she's keeping people at arms link, at least until the finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: fast percussion, plucked strings, compliment this kind of slippery slidy melody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm hoping it paints a picture of Fiddles's nervous or chaotic or frenetic, whatever you want to call it, Fiddles' Fiddles' Nists.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now to the B section, that slower vocal section, this is essentially me really just creating a mystery-shaped hole in Fiddles theme, interesting that it would work well with the eventual reveal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really think it does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that gamble paid off, and this,

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[SPEAKER_02]: really works for, for Fiddles transformation scenes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can pull elements from this later on when Fiddles actually reveals her true identity, but overall, that's a gamble that I think paid off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's a couple more of my favorite pieces of Fiddles music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: First up is Mission Fidd Impossible, which if you can't tell by the name is an even more blatant rip off of, or an homage to, let's say, Mission Impossible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This track is from the season one finale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Undisguised Self.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple of real fun permutations of the fiddle's theme here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got our classic chromatics, slippery, slimy version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a more diatonic or happy sounding version at the end.

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You hear it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How it's a little different?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when she reveals her true identity to the group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's kind of the musical equivalent of letting out a big sigh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to keep a secret anymore, not with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So your music can sound less weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, for Fiddles, this is a track from the season two premiere, uh, called Points of Articulation, a string quartet version of Fiddles theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's making a deal with Nandi, who is a genie that lives in an action figure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: D&D is weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're all caught up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a ton of other themes that I've written for the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some that I really love, like the gatherhold theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got our blood Drunk's theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As well as some fun battle themes, like attack and crack and let's buggy, you can find all of those on the band camp in the official soundtrack releases, but I think as I'm wrapping up the thing I want to say is that after nearly two years of writing and iterating on these themes, these core five melodies, the most surprising thing to me is that I'm not even a little

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get really excited when we play together and Donnie does something cool or fiddles steal something or Sue, someone's another angel or Ridley sees turtle God again, it's exciting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like making fun future plans with myself when I can add a new track to my giant notion template and tag it with the character theme and write a brief description of the scene and then come write it some weeks later and slotted into the episode

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[SPEAKER_02]: both creating and assembling a jigsaw puzzle starring my best friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it's the same melodies, you know, the variations are virtually endless.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's physics, there's always a new layer to uncover or a new light to cast or just a new angle to look at these themes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A new dimension to these characters that we love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think writing music for Imagine Dungeons really mirrors the experience of playing Dungeons and Dragons with your friends in that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the story is always unfolding and growing and changing and nothing's fixed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the chance for creative improvisation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's exciting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In a safe environment, you know, without fear of judgment or embarrassing yourself, you get to just create.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the opportunity to help build a collaborative trusting environment where the folks of the table can be their earnest and yes, doorky selves is a true privilege.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've been going for, gosh, 50 minutes now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The doorky's thing I've ever done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you about all the music I made up for all these guys, me and my friends made up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a privilege, it's so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm privileged to create this show with my best friends in the world and I'm so thankful and a little in disbelief that they trusted me when I said, hey, I think I can write some cool soundtrack kind of music for this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Juries still out and if it's cool, but hey, I think at least works in the show and I'm happy with it and I'm glad you've listened to it and I'm glad you've listened to this episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you've enjoyed this episode, the first thing I want to ask you to do is join us on our discord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's linked in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be dropping this track list that I've talked through in the episode today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be putting that in the discord with links to the songs that you can check out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to listen to the full thing, we'll have the little snippets that I've included here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great place also to ask us any questions you've got about the show or just engage with other listeners.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could also check out the sound track on my band camp, which that sentence does make me feel like it's 2013 and I'm more in skinny jeans and tombs and I really would like you to look at my band camp, but hey, look at my band camp.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've linked it in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've got soundtrack spread across four volumes for season one, almost an hour long release for the season premiere soundtrack, the season two premiere soundtrack, would love it if you check those out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All the music's free.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please don't put it in a mountain, please don't pay me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just download it for free and listen to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The last thing you could do is you could send us an email.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine Dungeon's pod at gmail.com or an Instagram DM at Discord DM that all works.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We just love to hear from you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We may even do more of these behind the scenes looks at the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if there's a specific question you have or something you'd like to learn more about, feel free to ask us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That concludes our look at the character themes for Imagine Dungeons as we say on every episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for listening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We love you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We hope you only roll natural 20s at whatever table you find yourself at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Next, then that, and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.